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Tiffany Nguyan
In 1980 at age 21, Tiffany and her two brothers and one sister escaped
Vietnam by boat and landed in an Indonesian fishing camp. With the help
of Lutheran Social Services, Tiffany and her siblings immigrated to Pelican
Rapids, MN nine months later where they lived with a foster family and
went to school. Tiffany learned to speak English and became a bilingual
case manager at Lutheran Social Services. She traveled regularly to Minneapolis
to buy Asian food products to feed her family and felt that Fargo could
support a local market. When she couldn't get an SBA loan because she
had no equity or collateral to secure the loan, the Minneapolis grocer
where she shopped helped her get started. The Ha Asian, expanded to include
My Viet restaurant, is a thriving family run business where Tiffany, her
husband and her five children work.
Q: Tell me how you happened to come to the United States and then
to Fargo?
Tiffany: Back in 1980, we escaped Vietnam by boat with my two
brothers and one sister, and we landed in Indonesia by fishing camp. We
stayed there for about nine months, and we came to United States. Because
I escape Vietnam without parents, so we were placed in the care of foster
parents home with Lutheran Social Services in unaccompanied minor program
who left Vietnam without parents than so we have foster parents.
Q: And how old were your siblings?
Tiffany: My youngest sister, she was 10 years old when she left
Vietnam, and my other brother so he about 13 years old; the other one
like about 15 years old -- 15,13, and 10, and I was 21.
Q: And then what did you do in your foster home?
Tiffany: We just go to school, and we say at foster parent, we
going to school and try to go for education.
Q: You went to school too.
Tiffany: Yes I went to school in Pelican Rapids also. My foster
mother is a teacher at Pelican Rapids High School also.
Q: And even though you were 21, you went to high school?
Tiffany: In Minnesota, they allow you to go to school older than
you know like 20 some years you can still go high school.
Q: And was that helpful for you?
Tiffany: It was helpful for English and then also other courses
if we need to go for the school, especially the language barrier when
we first came to United States.
Q: How did you come to open up this store?
Tiffany: The dream become a business, is always my dream when
I was in Vietnam, I always want to be a business also too, and it just
happened to be I want to bring that dream up to come true so I try it.
Q: Did you want to have a restaurant? I mean was that the original
dream was to have a restaurant or?
Tiffany: Any kind of business. Any kind of business would be good
because I love to be in business. It happened at first I opened a grocery
because I get help from the friend. I said I would like to open a grocery,
a Vietnamese grocery, oriental grocery. We used to go to from Fargo to
Minneapolis to buy food for our family, and I thought well it would be
nice to have one grocery over here so I start a business.
Q: Tell me that story that you did about this Minneapolis people helping
you. You mentioned about that they had given you too much, and you told
them about it, and then they said well, if we could ever help you.
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Tiffany: Uh-hmmm. Like every few months we go down to Minneapolis,
buy the food down there. One time we purchase like about $300 worth of
food. That excludes six boxes of noodle which cost like about $25, up
to six boxes of noodles. And I came home, I check on the list, price list,
to see which one had charged me, ______________ charge me to see the price,
compare the price, and found out there was six boxes of noodle they did
not charge me. So next time I went down there, I told ___________ "I
have six boxes of noodles. They did not charge me." And I asked them
to charge me for that, and then after that they see how honest I was so
they said... I always tell them I would like to open a grocery. If I could,
I would like to, but I don't have any money. I don't have any help. And
they said if we want to, they will help us so that's why.
Q: So, was that how you were able to start or what was the process
that you went through to start this business?
Tiffany: When I work at Lutheran Social Services, I called SBA,
Small Business Administration. They always help small business so I came
to them, and I do the paperwork, but it doesn't work out because I don't
have equity, I don't have any kind of _______________ for the loan so
they don't loan it to me, and I just kind of go _________________ grocery.
I asked them I would like to open a grocery if they could help me, and
they start it, and they would tell me from the beginning what do we need
to do, go out to the auction, buy some used equipment from that. They
took me out to the auction and buy start, and then they ordered extra
food. They let me bring the truckload of food, bring to put on my grocery.
Q: So there's a grocery association, is that what it is?
Tiffany: No, it's just the owner of the grocery who helped me
in the beginning. I bought purchases from them. They start me with that.
Q: I think you went to the Small Business Development Center too,
right?
Tiffany: Yes I did, but they didn't help me because I don't have
equity, and I don't have some kind of back up for the loan if I borrow
from there.
Q: So you just did what you could, and put it together that way, just
a little bit at a time or how were you able to _____________?
17:15
Tiffany: I just came to the grocery where I bought the grocery before,
and I said I would like to open a grocery, but I don't have money, and
they said "OK, go back, __________ the rent, looking for the space,
come up here, whatever you need. We'll help you.
Q: Wow. That's quite nice of them.
Tiffany: Yes.
Q: And do you still deal with them much or go through them or...
Tiffany: Right now I don't go through them much because I have
a bigger company they offer me with easier loading and unloading with
the truck. They don't have a loading and unloading every week like that
so it's hard for them, and we still keep contact with each other but not
purchase food from them because I need more food, and I need more trucking,
loading and unloading truck, and they don't have help there.
Q: What were you doing at Lutheran Social Services?
Tiffany: Used to be a bilingual case manager working with Lutheran
Social Services Unaccompanied Minor Program working with the children
again.
Q: Is that what you did right out of school then when you were done
with high school?
Tiffany: Yes. I went to different school also too, NDSU in Whapeton.
I have some customer over there.
Q: And how do you handle family and the business at the same time?
Tiffany: Well, the children go to school during the day, and we
begun a business. When they came home from school, we helped them with
homework a little bit and then just kinda helping each other a little
bit.
Q: Do they just sort of hang out at the business as well?
Tiffany: Sometime if they have lots of homework, they can come
on out here and we help it. Sometime they can go to Grandpa house, like
we call Grandpa ______ our foster parents, and the Grandpa can help. And
sometime they come to my brother's, and you know my brother can help him.
Q: What about your siblings, your brothers and sisters. Did you have
responsibility for them? Did your parents say they're your responsibility
now when you came to America?
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Tiffany: They don't say it, but for us it just kinda like the oldest
one taking care of the younger one and taking care of the youngest if
their parents are not around so we kind of like watching for each other,
watch out for each other. I escaped Vietnam in 1980 with my two younger
brothers and one younger sister. Eight year later, my youngest brother
escaped Vietnam so we have five of us in United States. One of my younger
brother, he's a graduate at Whapeton School as a technician so he working
for Motorola Company right now. He is married, has two children. Another
younger brother, younger than that one, he's working _____________ as
Doctor of Pharmacy, and he's in Navy. Right away after he graduate, he
joined the Navy so he working for Navy. Now he is stationed in San Diego.
And then my younger sister go to school at MSU, and then she graduate
in international business and marketing and computer consulting so she
working in Virginia right now for computer consultant. My youngest brother
just graduated as a Doctor of Pharmacy also at NDSU. So my mom... I think
my mom is a pretty lucky mother who have children raised as successful.
She went visit my other brother in San Diego a few months ago, and one
of his friends told my mom that she is a lucky mother who has children
very successful. Last year, that brother, the one who in Navy, just promoted
into what called Lieutenant Commander, and this year my youngest brother
graduated in pharmacy also so my mom should be very happy for these things.
Q: Were you told that as a kid to work hard? Did your family talk
about that?
Tiffany: We thought we work hard as a family. Our family work
very hard. We always teach work hard, how to deal with people, and how
to work hard to get better. To my parents, if you work hard now, later
on you have a ___________ to go on. If you don't work hard later on, you'll
be kind of lazy style so it'd be easier to work... that's why I try to
train my kids now, work harder so you can have easier life later on.
Q: Nice. How has life in America been for you?
Tiffany: To me it's just wonderful. I have a chance to go to school
back. After 1971, I can't... after 1975 I cannot go to school because
of my family. I was working with the former government before, and with
the help and with the family living condition, I had to help the family.
Here I have all kind of chance -- go to school, help in the family later
on, so I think it's better life in America.
Q: Are there things here in North Dakota that's (tape drop out) appreciate?
Are there things that you like about North Dakota?
Tiffany: Snow is one thing that's weird to us. I never know snow
before when I was in Vietnam so I think that sometime over here we complain
about snow. But to some other people, snow might be beautiful if you don't
have seen it before. ______________ storm is not very good, but I think
that sometime we do need to appreciate the snow.
Q: When you arrived, was it wintertime?
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Tiffany: It was in the summertime, and also too in Vietnam like about
5:00, the sun already go down. I came here on June 26; at 9 p.m. the sun
still out there, and I wrote a letter to Vietnam right away when I arrived
United State. I said 9 p.m., and it's still sun out there so the summer
and winter are very easy and clear compared to the Vietnam.
Q: Have people treated you and your family well?
Tiffany: I think so. To us it seem like if we are nice to people,
people are nice to us. You cocky to people, people cocky back to you.
To me, that how I feel you know. If you treat them nice, no matter to
me what nationality you are. If you be nice to them, you talk to them,
you friendly with them, they will feed back to you.
Q: Do you try to keep your culture alive with your family and teach
your children about where you came from?
Tiffany: Yes, yes, we always keep that and we still keep them
bilingual. We talk to them in Vietnamese and try to keep that open with
them.
Q: Yeah. Are there traditions that you have at home that are Vietnamese?
Tiffany: Every time when the children before they go to school,
they have to say Dear Mom, Dad, Uncle, Brother, and Sister, I'm going
to school. And then when they came home from school, they have to Dear
again that I got back from school. Every time when they go someplace,
Dear I have to go this, I have to go there. They have to respect and pay
attention to say that.
Q: So respecting elders is very important to the culture? Okay. Umm,
do you think about how they're changed by or how they're different here
in America, how that affects them. The culture here, does that concern
you that it's not quite like home? It's you know television and music
is very, perhaps different?
Tiffany: Yes, they're different because of game of TV, but for
me and my family, I think if my kid doing very well in school, they do
have the privilege to watch TV or to play game. If they are not good at
it, we will take that away.
Q: You don't think it's a negative influence on their lives necessarily?
Tiffany: I think... this is my own family. I think to me is that
I'm lucky I have my children who listen and obey to us and respect us
so that's what I can say for my own family only. I don't know about other
people. They might have different idea and different thinking in their
own family. It's different also too. I don't know.
Q: Would you have any advice for people who have just come here and
just moved into this area who are new immigrants?
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Tiffany: The new immigrant need to go to learn English more, be open,
talk more English, learn English more, work hard, and accept for what
you are, and try to understand for whatever happen. Don't have a low self
esteem. __________ and make it happen.
Q: Okay. Is there anything that you would want to say to people who
are native to this area, to the Fargoans or North Dakotans about new people
coming in there? Is there anything that you would like them to do or...
do you understand what I'm saying?
Tiffany: I think in North Dakota, as far as I know around here
and some other area like in Bismarck where of course they do have Lutheran
Social Services helping with a lot of immigrant, and I think North Dakota
very peaceful place. The people around here are generous and nice and
helping each other, especially with immigrant. There are some who will
be a little bit, have it difficult with other, but they will try to cooperate
with it. They try to work with it. They try to make it happen but some
of it we cannot control that. If just depend on the situation. But the
majority of people are very nice and help with each other, open their
heart, open their door.
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